tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post4207803206919578206..comments2023-04-07T06:56:22.507-04:00Comments on Mom & Then Some: "Let the little children come to me, after all of the proper forms are filled out and they've been certified by the relevant authorities."Nicole Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09115556585264141565noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-4803565789037642172012-01-30T15:01:22.055-05:002012-01-30T15:01:22.055-05:00Julie, I was wondering about adoptive children bei...Julie, I was wondering about adoptive children being baptized. Thanks for your input!All in His Perfect Timinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00300978285191861049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-49618555248262139102012-01-30T14:59:21.721-05:002012-01-30T14:59:21.721-05:00I have never taken a class either and I'm a go...I have never taken a class either and I'm a godparent. <br />I believe anyone can baptize a baby if its an emergency. When my youngest brother was born, my mom baptized him in the Kitchen sink "just in case" b/c it was going to be awhile before his baptism b/c my dad was super sick. Of course, we had an official baptism later, but I would say to be safe ... do it if you're unsure. God will grant an allowance.<br />I think this situation is simply appalling! That is stupid ... you, taking the class you "could" have taken (how do they not know) a short time ago! UGH!!!!!All in His Perfect Timinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00300978285191861049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-33981556797477879582012-01-30T13:30:48.436-05:002012-01-30T13:30:48.436-05:00Classes sound like a good idea, I agree. It's ...Classes sound like a good idea, I agree. It's the darn paperwork that gets you every time. <br /><br />I'm having paperwork issues at my own parish for a different reason.Lenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09173616693453942166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-48099567992016635632012-01-29T11:36:04.961-05:002012-01-29T11:36:04.961-05:00That's so frustrating. They have classes for ...That's so frustrating. They have classes for everything now. It's agonizing for practicing catholis who know their faith. I think you should just have an interview with the priest and he can ask you questions about your faith. If you fail, then take the classes. If you pass, then baptize away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-10937998299885000152012-01-29T01:45:56.208-05:002012-01-29T01:45:56.208-05:00This reminds me of my frustration over getting Cla...This reminds me of my frustration over getting Clara baptized. We finally got her baptized at 9 months only because we argued our case to the diocese. So no, they will not baptize a baby just because it's a baby who is in need of being baptized. During that time, I often wondered why our diocese wouldn't rather err on the side of baptizing our daughter even though the adoption wasn't finalized, especially because the rules differ from diocese to diocese. I think what it comes down to is different interpretation of the catechism. And, luckily for us, that allowed us to present our case and get them to change their minds (otherwise she would have been a year and a half!). Good luck!!Kareyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322075168200033307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-1586950659519898132012-01-27T22:01:31.131-05:002012-01-27T22:01:31.131-05:00Um I have 6 godchildren and never had to take a cl...Um I have 6 godchildren and never had to take a class for them! Just a letter from our priest saying we were Catholics in good standing. Wth.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08146718549061898275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-63637517136649975832012-01-27T21:59:30.682-05:002012-01-27T21:59:30.682-05:00I can understand your frustration. Although not th...I can understand your frustration. Although not the same, most parishes require that an adopted child NOT be baptized until the adoption is finalized. In our case with Isabella, she was baptized at 4 1/2 months because of this. With Isaiah, they bent the rule and he was baptized at 1 month old exactly! In some cases, finalization doesn't happen for over a year! So sad when the child has to wait for the grace!Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945557532523757433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-35926001209212810952012-01-27T20:38:01.296-05:002012-01-27T20:38:01.296-05:00Re: your nephew, I guess it would depend on the pr...Re: your nephew, I guess it would depend on the priest... in theory, a priest should refuse to baptize an infant of he won't be raised Catholic. Not just because it may cause problems with other sacraments down the road, but also because it would essentially cause the parents to lie during the baptismal rite. :( You specifically promise to raise the child in the Church, after all, and if you promise that before God amd to God with no intention of doing so....? Not good.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-15018413012142889892012-01-27T19:07:02.129-05:002012-01-27T19:07:02.129-05:00Hebrews, Mike & I are also godparents already ...Hebrews, Mike & I are also godparents already and we've never taken the class before! Nor did Jack or Marshall's godparents ever have to take one! Which makes me know it's not Canon Law!<br /><br />Ah, JoAnna thanks for the link to Jen's article. Can't wait to read it! I've never heard of the birth certificate requirement, but I wouldn't be surprised if my SIL had to provide one (seriously...who is pretending to be a baby's parents just to get him baptized???).<br /><br />That's what I thought about the "anyone can baptize" scenario. That it has to be an extraordinary circumstance. But what about, for instance, my nephew, whose parents aren't Catholic, but my mother-in-law wants him baptized? Would that count? Just curious.<br /><br />And I completely, 100% agree about the infuriation of getting children baptized when they know they're not going to raise them Catholic. I've witnessed it. But I would think the Church's main concern would be for the child to receive the sacrament. But you're right - I guess it does affect future sacraments. I hadn't thought of that, so thanks!<br /><br />#1: We did consider calling the diocesan office. Still might do it.<br />#2: You're right. Makes sense. Thanks!Nicole Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115556585264141565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-9308504428374935232012-01-27T18:51:08.987-05:002012-01-27T18:51:08.987-05:00Canon 868.1.2 addresses your question at the end! ...Canon 868.1.2 addresses your question at the end! :)<br /><br />But yes, that's HORRIBLE. It makes me SO MAD.God Alone Sufficeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02512877884857626978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-77578294300969735602012-01-27T17:44:07.108-05:002012-01-27T17:44:07.108-05:00Forgot two things...
1. Call the office of the bi...Forgot two things...<br /><br />1. Call the office of the bishop of the diocese that your sister is in, and explain the situation to someone there. Maybe they can intervene with Fr. Ignorant. <br /><br />2. I see your concern about children not being baptized, but I think it's better to trust in the mercy of God should they die unbaptized rather than to baptize them if there is no intention to raise them Catholic, kwim? It'd be different if a Catholic baptism didn't require Catholic marriage rites even if the person has since fallen away from the Church.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-38421891238787547272012-01-27T17:39:55.720-05:002012-01-27T17:39:55.720-05:00Oh, this is a HUGE pet peeve of mine. Jen Fulweile...Oh, this is a HUGE pet peeve of mine. <a href="http://www.ncregister.com/blog/does-it-ever-make-sense-to-baptize-your-baby-yourself/" rel="nofollow">Jen Fulweiler wrote an article about it</a> a while back, too.<br /><br />With my first, our priest waived the class requirement because he knew us and knew we were faithful Catholics in good standing. With my second, I had to take the class (same parish, different priest) but Father shut the video off after a few minutes and said, "You obviously know this already" and had me do all the paperwork. With my third and fourth, we knew the baptismal coordinator personally (he's now our fourth baby's godfather!) so he arranged it so we could skip the class and have private baptisms, without needing a birth certificate. But normally, our parish requires a birth certificate too (but not a class for the godparents, just proof that they are Catholics in good standing). <br /><br />It is, in a word, ridiculous. The only explanation I've heard for the birth certificate requirement is to (a) ensure that the parents of the child are the ones requesting baptism (because apparently there's a huge problem with people kidnapping kids and baptizing them Catholic?!), and (b) make sure the name is spelled correctly on the baptismal certificate (um, let the parents look at it before it's printed??). <br /><br />Anyone can baptize, but it's another extraordinary/ordinary thing. A priest or deacon is the ordinary minister of the sacrament, and it should be done in a church with parental consent. But if there are extraordinary circumstances (danger of death, etc.), then anyone can baptize at any place, without parental consent.<br /><br />I do think that a child should have a founded hope of being raised Catholic prior to baptism, because with baptism the child is obliged to get the sacraments as well as follow Catholic marriage rites. If the child is baptized Catholic and the parents raise him atheist (for example), then he'll contract an invalid marriage if he marries outside the Church (which he will, in all probability) and put himself into a state of further sin. Invincible ignorance will count in his defense, but still. <br /><br />Few things are more irritating to me than people who baptize their children Catholic with no intention of raising them to be so. That's what happened to three of my dear cousins, and now I can't go to any of their weddings. :( <br /><br />Ooooh, I can go on and on about this. It's bureaucratic nonsense.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3176423350057305122.post-51419931381313954292012-01-27T17:38:28.274-05:002012-01-27T17:38:28.274-05:00I don't know the answers to your questions at ...I don't know the answers to your questions at the end, but that situation is appalling!!!! I have been a Godparent 5 times and have never taken a class!Hebrews 11:1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15235249884008648163noreply@blogger.com